Fri 15 Jun 2007
Tony Price has just posted a very interesting article at openDemocracy. Two years ago, openDemocracy was convinced to publish their material under a Creative Commons license, which means that anyone can republish their material, so long as it is not being commercially distributed, it is not modified, and its source is attributed. (Creative Commons offers a series of licenses that allow you to pick and choose which kinds of re-use you will allow or not; but the primary innovation is that use is being authorized up front — copyright law generally expects authors to reserve rights until they’re asked.) In 2005, Siva Vaidhyanathan made the case in openDemocracy’s pages that Creative Commons was not only a sensible and just way to handle copyright, but that it was particularly suited to the democratic mission of the publication:
The articles on openDemocracy deserve to be circulated and used in more than one context. They can be rich resources and raw materials for further scholarship, criticism, and journalism. Their authors often inspire new ways of doing politics. By joining openDemocracy in the Creative Commons, they inspire new ways of sharing and developing knowledge too. Democracy, like culture itself, must be a collaborative project.
Price, in his article, expresses some skepticism about the decision. After finding some of their articles reproduced on a site with higher Google pageranks, he wonders whether it is in fact a good thing that their articles show up elsewhere, and that their license explicitly authorizes this. His point, provocative though I think incomplete, is that the Creative Commons idea is very good at circulating content in a context of abundance rather than scarcity, but not as good at helping to establish and strengthen the kind of community that forms around content. If openDemocracy’s content immediately migrates to other sites, to any site, do they lose the sense of specialness as a resource, as a destination, and the sense of community that then comes with it?
The Digital Commons points to the fundamental difference between information and atoms: information can be almost costlessly reproduced, and the more reproduced the better. Limits to the reproduction of information are a hangover from non-digital economics.
But this is an orthodoxy I refuse: one of our articles is part of a publication; that publication makes a community; and every moment of attention that the community loses is one that might have contributed something of value to the greater whole that we are trying to build at openDemocracy. In this respect, our creative-commons licenses, by dispersing the energy of the community we are building, are destroying value. Indeed, it is almost built into our current licensing technology that the pieces most likely to build our community will find themselves aggregated elsewhere, because they are the most likely to be reused by other communities.
Price is tapping an interesting tension here. The old version of this concern used to be: people trade music on peer-to-peer networks with no concern for paying the artist; that works now, since all this music has already been released — but what happens when artists stop producing music altogether because it is being redistributed, and fans are left with nothing to trade? Or, political blogging claims to be an improvement over mainstream media, avoiding lots of the problems that commercial and institutional imperatives force on the old form — but blogging rarely includes investigative inquiry or breaking news, its really about recirculation, commentary, critical analysis, so what happens if the mainstream news collapses, what will bloggers comment on? These concerns are, I believe, unwarranted because they are too stark: there are lots of reasons why musicians will continue to make music and journalists will continue to investigate, even in a context in which users now eagerly take, recirculate, and comment on their work. But Price’s concern is a sharper one: does the value of community, the way people gather around a site like openDemocracy, fuel the continued production of its content, and its sense of significance? (This has echoes of Benjamin’s worry about the loss of “aura” when cultural works can be easily reproduced.) If those materials can be found outside of its designed context, whether its on another site or through aggregators like Google News or RSS readers, will those communities wither? As Price puts it,
The commons have always been sustained by communities, and the digital commons, embodied in the iCommons movement, will be the same. Communities both pay for and give life to endeavours in the public space. They supply both sense and cents.
What Price underestimates is the “attribution” aspect of the Creative Commons license, and of this context of abundance more generally. Communities can’t just hunker down and survive, they need to grow and remain vital. They do this by expanding their reach, finding new members while also serving the old, connecting to other conversations and deepening them. The fact that openDemocracy’s articles get picked up and re-posted on other sites, or made available out of context through Google News, not only gets them to more people, it directs some of those readers back to the site, where some of them may become members themselves. The link back to openDemocracy, through attribution and through a literal hyperlink, is a kind of advertising, a kind of invitation, a kind of enticement. It’s actually better than an ad, because rather than being told “you really should check out our site, it’s good, I swear” a reader finds value in an article, and has reason to seek out more. Just as some musicians will continue to make music, even if there is no profit for them, and just as some journalists will seek out information even if there is no financial reward coming to them, communities will continue to form around shared value and meaning. The porous boundaries of these communities is always valuable and risky, and every community struggles with how porous to be. But allowing the content itself to circulate strikes me as the most powerful way to make a community open, strong, viable, and lively.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:41 pm
Word. Well stated. Do you want to write a response for OD?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:21 am
Tony Price uses the ISN and its use of openDemocracy articles as an example for the ills of digital reproduction. We’ve published our response here:
http://blog.isn.ch/index.cfm?bid=190
June 19th, 2007 at 6:13 am
First - thank you for the careful attention you have given my argument.
I do not deny that advertising is good for a community, just that there is a positive, diffusive cost to _this_sort_ of advertising.
Recognising the diffusive effect leads us to see that there is a positive incremental cost to reproduction: abundance has its won cost. In other words, the logic of _zero_ costs should not apply.
I am not saying that every web site should be its own North Korea - often, advertising is more valuable than the cost of diffusion. But not always, and the ISN case seemed to be the clearest.
Licenses are tools, not masters. We should stay critical and always seek to improve our tools.
Tony
June 19th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
Sorry Tony - I still don’t get what you’re talking about. The cost of reproduction is not borne by you. If another website runs your article and links back to you, you don’t pay to keep their servers online. Basically, what you’re saying is you don’t mind your articles appearing elsewhere, as long as they have a lower Google ranking. Which suggest your use of the Creative Commons license is as sincere as a fart in a crowded elevator.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
Alpesh,
I wish I could get you to agree on a simple conceptual point, and then we can argue, if that is the right word, about odors.
When one talks about costs, these are not just financial costs, but any negative impact from a course of action. The negative openDemocracy suffers from ISN’s behavior is the loss in community - to take a short cut - that each person who goes to ISN but would otherwise have gone to oD. The loss in community takes many forms: someone might become a regular poster, a writer, a financial supporter; someone might come to oD because of an article they might have seen on oD but be attracted by the care we take to create a whole world view, and might change not just their opinion on Serbia, but their outlook on things general. When that does not happen _because_ ISN carried the higher-ranked version of the article, it is a loss to openDemocracy.
I do not deny that that loss is sometimes worth bearing, but I wish you would concede the concept that there is a cost there. No amount of talking up the advertising benefit makes that cost disappear.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
Tony
I can certainly see that there’s a cost, in the sense that you mean it. I think there are two things to add. First, there may be benefits that go along with that cost, and outweigh it — this is what I was suggesting in my post. It reminds me of the way radio works, or worked: listeners hear your new song on the radio; this brings benefit, both financial profit and community enhancement to the radio station but not to the band directly, and may even draw people away from hearing the song at your show or buying your disc, ways in which the value and community around your band might grow stronger. But getting your song on the radio is of great value — advertising for the band and getting fans to buy the CD or see the show, of course — but it also lends legitimacy to the band, gets more people to hear it, convinces more of a point it makes, etc.
The second point, which I think was Siva’s point in the 2005 article, is that maybe thinking about this only in terms of costs and benefits is a mistake. And I don’t think openDemocracy generally does this, or that you mean to be doing it here. But Siva’s point was that the political principles behind Creative Commons have something in common with the political principles behind openDemocracy. Ideally, adopting this licensing model because of the shared political mission would also be the best strategy financially and organizationally, but even if its not, there may be reason to do it anyway. I certainly get the dilemma, that its all well and good to live your principles, except when it means the organization itself collapses. But I don’t think that’s as substantial a risk as you make it here.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pm
Tarleton,
I didn’t mean to suggest _you_ didn’t get the distinction, which you clearly do in your careful response in this post.
Yes, openDemocracy and I have a strong political commitment to an economy of sharing. But we also have an ideological predisposition to taking seriously claims of identity and belonging. At its most basic, my point is that identity may need, sometimes, to limit diffusion.
I have looked at the logs. ISN have copied 38 of our articles, and have averaged 20 click-throughs per article to oD. This is a minute percentage of our traffic per article. This is despite them having almost 10 times our reach, according to Alexa. What is more, the “Google News” effect is in general very significant in drawing people to us. So I have reason to suspect we _are_ missing out from this effect in this case.
I would really have to strongly believe that ISN was a good citizen of the sharing economy for me to feel good about this. They are government funded, and funded by a government that has not often been known for its willingness to engage and do good in the world.
Tony
June 20th, 2007 at 12:15 am
I hope nobody minds my reposting a reply to comments concerning the same issue/article over at my blog. If I can make some contribution to thinking, I shall be Very Pleased.
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I used the same CC license for anything (of mine) on this site as I did for my PhD thesis: BY-NC-SA. The difference (for those not-used to Creative Commons) being that openDemocracy’s license does not permit Derivative Works (I have SA, instead of ND). Mine does, as long as that derivative work has at least as friendly a CC license as this one (SA = Share Alike).
It strikes me that the dilemma (for want of a better word) of Dr. Price is not at all an easy one (you can see that in the comments of the discussion to which he links). The ‘BY’ (attribution) aspect is fairly fundamental to Creative Commons, and to open source, copyleft, etc.
The trouble is, knowing openDemocracy published something you read on Alternet, and reading it on openDemocracy, are not the same thing. They are - after a fashion - in terms of what you ‘get’ (the information, the knowledge), but they are not in terms of what openDemocracy ‘gets’.
This isn’t monetary or commercial (compare instead reading a Harper’s article in Mother Jones: you still get the story, but Harper’s lose the sale), but rather openDemocracy ‘loses’ participation. If that person had come to openDemocracy, that person would participate in the openDemocracy community, and the strength of this community is the ‘revenue stream’ (again, for want of a better word) Dr. Price wants to protect.
And there’s really no license that can do that. The Harper’s/Mother Jones comparison is easy to follow; it’s money. ‘Community’ can be called a currency, but it cannot be used as one. Dr. Price talks of making licenses work for us. I suspect it’s a matter also of technology: the use of frames would allow Alternet, for example, to send you to the article, at openDemocracy, within Alternet’s page. Almost win-win, except frames rather thoroughly suck.
I’m not qualified for this beyond these examples. But I suspect technology, either more than or as well as, licensing, is necessary, if openDemocracy is going to both share its community, and make sure it is recognised and enriched in return.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:56 am
thanks, casey.
i agree with you that technology will be a big part of the solution … stay posted, we hope to try something out soon.
But one quibble with what you wrote. You said: “They [reading an article on Alternet versus on the original source] are - after a fashion - in terms of what you ‘get’ (the information, the knowledge), …”
I would deny that they are the same. The framing of content changes its impact. Data, information, knowledge … even wisdom … are in a hierarchy that is at least partly to do with the amount of coherent peripheral context available.
I think that one of the slow forces at work in the age of search is that we turn knowledge into information into data … we do this for convenience, but without the awareness of the slow depletion of the assets of meaningfulness that we are engaged in.
We shouldn’t collapse the distinction between information and knowledge - I think that a reader of a CC copy of an oD article may be said to get the same information, but not the same knowledge.
I voice these fears in my Google article, which is pretty much on the same themes as my CC article, but applied to what search is doing.
http://www.opendemocracy.net/globalization-vision_reflections/google_problem_4546.jsp
Tony
June 20th, 2007 at 6:06 am
Tony
I’m afraid I have to take issue with your suggestion that the ISN is not a “good citizen of the sharing economy”.
Allow me to give you some insight into the “economics” of our work:
The ISN has been online for over 13 years. In that time we have never charged our users a penny for access to our content (unlike previous incarnations of openDemocracy).
We develop and sustain a range of initiatives to improve education, training and learning in international affairs. We host educational seminars for students, policymakers, diplomatic staff and others. We do this at no cost to the people who access or use such services.
We are co-developing an open-source learning management system (www.ilias.de) that is being used by dozens of educational institutions around the globe. We develop open-access training modules that anyone can access for free at any time. We are also developing tools and technologies to improve communication and knowledge sharing in organizations like NATO.
Over the past four years we have convinced over 150 think tanks and research institutes to share their content with the ISN and other websites. We have also encouraged these organizations to adopt Creative Commons licenses and to adopt RSS as a simple communications tool. Or efforts here are ongoing.
Further, we host over a dozen websites and information services for third parties at no cost. We also co-develop the FIRST database (http://first.sipri.org/) which seeks to promote greater transparency on issues like arms production and trade.
We host conferences and seminars for the IR-community for which we have never charged a cent. We also participate in a range of working groups, all of which are dedicated to improving collaboration in the IR community. To date we have never issued an invoice for the knowledge we impart or the consulting we offer.
Finally, we distribute information on our partners’ research and activities to a global user community at zero cost to anyone but ourselves. We do this in the hope of building greater awareness on the issues of our day.
All of the above has been possible because of the good offices and generous support of the Swiss government, which has spent more than a decade (and tens of millions of francs - if not more) supporting the use of IT to improve knowledge sharing within and between different countries and communities. The Swiss government has asked for nothing in return. I would also add that in all this time it has never once impeded the ISN’s editorial freedom.
The economic “cost” of these activities can easily be calculated by tallying the number of man hours worked. But the economic “consequences” cannot. How does one measure the economic (or social) consequences of being better informed (e.g. time and energy saved not criticizing the ISN and Swiss government on the basis of false assumptions)? I’m not an economist so I can’t hazard an answer.
As a British citizen I applaud the Swiss government for its initiative. The fact that it isn’t given to blowing its trumpet is indicative of how the country likes to do business: quietly but effectively.
I’m sorry you think the ISN’s efforts on behalf of openDemocracy are undermining its community building efforts. I am inclined to argue otherwise. Nevertheless, if there’s anything the ISN can do to help - for free - please let me know.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:38 am
chris,
ok, i agree that isn isn’t evil and does some good … after all, anyone who appreciates our content as you do is off to a good start
thanks for offering to help. i think that a simple thing we could work on would be for you to agree, when you use one of our articles, to a) brand it clearly with our logo, clicking through to that article on our site and b) offer readers the opportunity to sign up _on_your_site to our email list, allowing them to get our editorial updates in their inbox.
in fact, my main tech solution to this problem - which is not, i want to emphasise, just an ISN problem - is to give you a “CC Licensing Widget” that will deliver to your page the content we want there for it to qualify for CC licensing. this is a sort of general implementation of the brand/email idea.
what do you think - would that still work editorially at your end?
tony
June 20th, 2007 at 8:51 am
Just wanted to say, first, I’m glad I was able to spur and host this discussion. I love that this has moved from an abstract debate about licenses, publications, and community, to a conversation between the actual people who might actually find a solution to this.
I don’t haver the technology behind it, but I wonder if there’s a variation to Tony’s suggestion that would work. I like the “CC Licensing Widget” idea — and the CC people would too, so you should suggest it. But I’m imagining a small graphic panel that includes the openDemocracy icon, link to the specific article in its home setting, and a entry box to subscribe to the email list. The code for this panel could be in every one of openDemocracy’s articles, so that it is included when it gets picked up by ISN, Google News, AlterNet, etc. But what you wouldn’t want, I assume, is for this panel to appear on every article when the reader is actually seeing it at openDemocracy’s site — that would be weird and distracting. So I wonder if there’s an easy java-applet way for the site to recognize whether the page is being viewed as part of openDemocracy’s site, and if that’s the case, the panel is excised.
In other words, rather than having version A, the openDemocracy copy with no links back to itself, and then a version B, with the links, that other sites have to know to use (since many sites just troll for the published version, which would be version A) you just publish version B in all cases, but then remove the links when its being seen within the openDemocracy site?
Again, I don’t know if what I’m suggesting is technically feasible, or easy, or obvious, or clumsy. But it would solve the problem of needing all other sites to go about things a certain way, and instead only requires openDemocracy to make an adjustment in precisely the context in which it has the control to do so.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:06 am
tarleton,
thank _you_ for hosting and initiating the discussion. it is nice to have a sympathetic space that is at one remove from the issues.
the widget you have in mind is more or less what we’re thinking of implementing. what you describe is quite simple technically.
the question i have for the lawyers is - is there any trouble licensing _only_ the output of the widget under a cc license, and not other “formattings” of the material?
tony
June 20th, 2007 at 9:17 am
I think my version of your plan may actually help you avoid the legal question. There is only one version of the article, including the icon and link, and it is licensed. When your server delivers it to a reader who is seeing it within your site, it simply doesn’t include that part of the code. So instead of creating a licensing arrangement where you have to limit the permission to a version, you make the adjustment when your site is showing it. I think it simplifies the legal aspect of it. Just a thought.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:40 am
Tony
I’m happy to consider any solution, technical or otherwise, that would yield benefit to our partners.
For now, please note that all oD articles include the logo as well as a link back to the original article and the website itself (see: http://www.isn.ethz.ch/news/sw/details.cfm?ID=17764).
Over the course of this year we will be migrating the Security Watch news service to a new database which should allow us a little more flexibility in how we manage content from other Creative Commons licensees.
As for the mailing lists, this is a feature we already offer other partners and I’d be happy to include oD on the list here: http://www.isn.ethz.ch/news/subs/index.cfm.
If possible, I will also ask my staff to include a link to your newsletter at the bottom of every story we republish (if you can provide me with the relevant URL I would be grateful).
I hope this helps for now. I would need to review the proposed CC licensing widget - a good idea by the way - when it’s ready. If there’s anything else, please ask.
I’d like to add my thanks to Tarleton for prompting a valuable discussion.
Chris
June 25th, 2007 at 3:40 pm
Just a quick note to say we have now publshed an alternative take on this issue on openDemocracy: http://opendemocracy.net/media_net/people_copyright/icommons_harvest
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